Rogue: How to Spec and Play Assassination
***Now Updated for 3.1***
Assassination is strong single target build Rogue build for PvE DPS. Just like combat, Slice and Dice, and Rupture are important to an Assassination Rogue, but even more so are Poisons, Mulitate and Envenom. In addition to these key abilities, there are damage increasing self buffs like Cold Blood and Hunger for Blood. Today, I’ll dissect the Assassination tree and how to play it.
If you want to follow along, here’s the spec we’ll be discussing: 51/13/7
And now, on with the show:
- How To: Assassination Spec -
We’re going to build a 51/13/7 Assassination Spec today. It requires that you use two daggers, and poisons at all times. There’s really no utility in this build, as it is designed for 100% pure single target DPS.
Assassination (51 points)
Tier 1
Malice (5/5) - Increases your Critical Strike chance by 5% (1 per point). This is a very powerful talent to be in a first tier, and that’s why this isn’t skipped by any Rogue, regardless of Spec.
Tier 2
Ruthlessness (3/3) – Gives your melee finishing moves a 60% chance to add a combat point to your target. Assassination rogues rely on fast generation of combo points rather than pure energy regen like combat.
Blood Spatter (2/2) – Increases the damage caused by your Garrote and Rupture abilities by 30%. Part of our rotation is to keep up Rupture as much as possible, so boosting its damage is a must.
Puncturing Wounds (3/3) – Increases the critical strike chance of your backstab ability by 30% and the critical strike chance of your Mutilate ability by 15%. We’re taking this solely for the Mutilate crit.
Tier 3
Lethality (5/5) – Increases the critical strike damage bonus of all combo moves by 30%. This won’t improve our white DPS, but 30% on specials is too huge to ignore.
Tier 4
Vile Poisons (3/3) – Increases the damage dealt by your poisons and Envenom ability by 20% and gives your poisons an additional 30% chance to resist dispel effects. As an Assassination Rogue, we’re always going to have poisons on both weapons (really, all rogues should), and Envenom is our main finishing move, as it will refresh Slice and Dice with a talent we’re taking later. Buffing the damage of both is a must.
Improved Poisons (5/5) – Increases the chance to apply Instant and Deadly Poison to your targets by 10%. We’re going to be using both of these poisons at all times. Poisoned targets take more damage from Mutilate, the poisons themselves, and it’s necessary to use Envenom.
Tier 5
Cold Blood (1/1) – When activated, increases the critical strike chance of your next offensive ability by 100%. A guaranteed crit. Take it and use it as often as possible. I tend to save mine for 5 combo point envenoms, which can crit for 10k+.
Tier 6
Seal Fate (5/5) – Your critical strikes from abilities that add combo points have a 100% chance to add an additional combo point(20% chance per point). Between talents, buffs and abilities, Mutilate is going to crit a fair number of times, so we’re taking this for much faster combo point generation.
Murder (2/2) – Increases all damage caused against Humanoid, Giant, Beast, and Dragonkin targets by 4% (2% per point). Unfortunately this doesn’t increase damage against undead, but we still see these types of mobs a lot in Wrath, so you’ll still get that 4% increase a fair amount of the time.
Tier 7
Overkill (1/1) – Abilities used while stealthed and for 6 seconds after cost 10 less energy. As Combat, it makes sense to run around outside of stealth to start rotations, as opening with sinister strike is often the most efficient way to start combat. However, with this talent, it makes sense to open with an Ambush for 2 combo points. With the reduced energy costs for 6 seconds, it also makes it easier to start your rotation.
Tier 8
Focused Attacks (3/3) – Your Melee critical strikes have a 100% chance to give you 2 Energy. You crit with your white hits more often than you think. This provides a much needed infusion of extra energy.
Find Weakness (3/3) – Offensive ability damage increased by 6%(2% per point). This ability is a flat 6% increase on all damage abilities you use, so you should definitely take it.
Tier 9
Mutilate (1/1) – Instantly attacks with both weapons for and additional 181 with each weapon. Damage is increased by 20% against poisoned targets. Awards 2 combo points. You can’t be an true Assassination Rogue without taking this talent, as the tree is really built around it now. True it is expensive at 60 energy, but it does massive damage and awards 2 combo points (3 if it crits).
Master Poisoner (3/3) – Increases the critical hit chance of all attacks made against any target you have poisoned by 3%, reduces the duration of all poison effects applied to you by 50% and increases the bonus chance to apply Deadly Poison when Envenom is used by 45%. The raid wide critical buff is nice, but a ret paladin will also provide the same buff. The poison duration reduction is also nice but we’re taking this for the increased chance to apply deadly poison. Having this talent will pretty much guarantee that you have 5 stacks up almost all the time. If you do roll with a Ret Paladin and want to take Turn the tables on the other side of this tier, that’s cool too.
Tier 10
Cut to the Chase (5/5) – Your Eviscerate and envenom abilities have a 100% chance to refresh your Slice and Dice to its 5 combo point maximum. This was one of the best improvements that Assassination got in Wrath. If you Envenom with 1 combo point, it not only does the Envenom damage, but you’ve just hit a 5 combo point Slice and Dice as well. The only caveat is that Slice and Dice must already be up first.
Tier 11
Hunger for Blood (1/1) – Enrages you, increasing all damage caused by 15%. Requires a bleed effect to be active on the target. Lasts 1 minute. We’ll be using Garrote and Rupture so there’s your bleed effect. This buff should be kept up at all times.
Combat (13)
Dual Wield Specialization (5/5) – Increases the damage done by your offhand weapon by 50%. This is a buff to offhand damage, but we’re taking it mainly to get deeper into the tree; plus, it’s a prereq for Close Quarters Combat.
Precision (5/5) – Increases your chance to hit with weapon and poison attacks by 5%. The hit penalty for dual wielding is simply too high for any rogue build to skip this talent.
Close Quarters Combat (3/5) – Increases your chance to get a critical strike with Daggers and Fist Weapons by 3%. We could have taken all 5 points, but we w0uld have had to take 2 less points in the Subtlety tree and that would have come from opportunity which is too good not to take.
Subtlety (7)
Relentless Strikes (5/5) – Your finishing moves have a 20% per combo point to restore 25 Energy. Free energy every time you use a 5 point finisher and 80% of the time you use a 4 point finisher. It’s hard to skip this in any build.
Opportunity (2/2) - Increases the damage dealt with your Backstab, Mutilate, Garrote and Ambush abilities by 20%. This is a solid increase to our opener, Ambush, and our combo point generator, Mutilate.
- How to: Play the Assassination Spec -
The Assassination requires that you prioritize your abilities, so here are some basic rules in order of importance:
- Poison both of your daggers – Instant on the main hand, and Deadly on the off hand.
- Get Hunger for Blood and Slice and Dice up as soon as possible and do not let them drop.
- Keep Rupture up as much as possible.
Rotation Startup:
- Always begin from stealth, and open with an Garrote
- Activate Hunger for Blood
- Activate Slice and Dice
- Mutilate once and then Envenom (remember this gives us a full 5 point refresh on Slice and Dice)
Main Rotation:
Note: Hunger for Blood should be refreshed any time that it goes under 10 seconds.
- Mutilate twice to get 4 or 5 combo points
- Envenom
- Mutilate twice to get 4 or 5 combo points
- Rupture
- Repeat
Don’t be afraid to use a lower combo point Envenom if it keeps Slice and Dice up. It’s better to do that and start your rotation over, than to have to manually re-apply SnD. Also, if you’re rotation goes fast enough that you have 4 or 5 combo points after using envenom and rupture is still up for 4+ seconds, by all means use another envenom.
Glyph Choices
Using 3 of these 4 glyphs will help increase your DPS:
- Hunger for Blood
- Slice and Dice
- Mutilate
- Rupture
If you can get your rotation fast enough to drop use all but the Slice and Dice glyph, that would be the best combo.
I hope that you have found this guide informative and useful for a basic understanding of how to spec and play Assassination. If you’re looking for more detailed information on Assassination, you could check out elitistjerks.com, which has very detailed information, or check out bighitbox.com.
- Sam
March 1, 2009 at 12:57 pm
I have played a combat rogue since hitting 70 and have not looked back….until now. Following observations of assassination rogues and a depressing look at my own dps, my guild has highly suggested a change to assassination. I looked all over the web for something that would tell me how to build and more importantly how to play my rogue with this foreign tree. Your guide was by far the best. Thank you for the detail on the talent and the rotation. I feel better prepared to start experimenting.
March 1, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Thanks. I’m glad I could help. I hope that it works out well for you. It’s definitely a different feel than combat, and some how more Roguish.
- Sam
March 11, 2009 at 9:20 am
My son (yes, my son) recommended that I try an assassination build after observing dps in his other raid groups. I have only ever played a combat build and have the rotation down pat, so this is very different for me as everything has changed. Raiding last evening my dps increased by a couple of hundred even though I continually screwed up the rotation – I really need to practice on some dummies now. But thanks for this great article and build. I look forward to seeing my dps when I get used to executing your rotation.
-Dunderchief (Kael’thas)
March 12, 2009 at 4:13 pm
My GM ask me to change my attack rotation to go mutilate / envenom… before hearing about this, I never actually played with those acttack. Gotta tell you, I’m doin way better then before (actually, starting to get the hang of it
)
Thx a lot for the guide!
March 21, 2009 at 12:23 am
Very good guide ^^ I try to get my DPS up with this talent build… but still need some practice to use the right spells on time.
what the highest DPS what i can get with this build and rotation? (because right now im around 1300-1400DPS)
March 21, 2009 at 12:32 am
The DPS you’d get depends on buffs and gear, but in a mix of blues and epics on a stationary target with standard raid buffs, 2500-3000 DPS is obtainable.
-Sam
March 21, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Wow. thats awesome ^^ I just did OS 25 about 10 min ago and my DPS was 1904! with your rotation, i made couple mistake but its ok. I’m so happy^^ Finally I can go to naxx. Thank You so Much for your Guide
March 21, 2009 at 2:50 pm
I’m glad you found it helpful Lizz, keep up the good DPS.
March 23, 2009 at 7:23 am
I raided with Combat Daggers all the way to Black Temple. Why? It just felt more roguely. Now in Wrath I’ve embraced the Assassination spec, and I’m stoked that the highest raid DPS build is dagger-based. All is as it should be.
March 26, 2009 at 6:12 pm
tbh, i used this rotation (well as much as I could- not yet used to it) and was very surprised to see my dps didnt increase much :S… wondering what I may be doing wrong…
March 26, 2009 at 8:24 pm
I’d need to inspect your gear to be certain. You can email an armory link / any other information to me if you want a more thorough opinion, but if it’s rotation based it’s probably either related to Slice and Dice or Hunger for Blood.
- Sam
March 29, 2009 at 11:21 am
How does this work in raids , anyone used it that far? nax etc
March 29, 2009 at 11:49 am
I was top melee, and 5th overall in a Naxx25 last night, pulling 4.5K on the Thane for Four Horseman. It works.
- Sam
March 29, 2009 at 12:06 pm
im not sure what im doing wrong i just cant get the dps and im the best geared in the guild , my char is pogmothoin on veknilash , i hit 2k and sometimes 2400aprox but i no theres something im doing wrong to get low dps i should be one of the higest
March 29, 2009 at 3:03 pm
I can’t find your toon on the armory. Also, 2-3k isn’t bad in a 25 man, and it’s pretty good for a 10 man. The 4.5k I was reffering to was with optimal buffs and a heroism. I was averaging 2.7-3.2k most of the evening. Still, if I can get to your armory, I’ll be glad to take a second look.
- Sam
March 29, 2009 at 4:08 pm
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Vek%27nilash&n=Pogmothoin
hope this helps
March 29, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Your gear is actually a little better than mine. I’d aim for 315 hit and 26 expertise. I’ve got an upcoming post that will help if it’s a rotation issue. My only other suggestions at the present would be to trade out the attack power enchants on your gloves/wrists for expertise / hit enchants. Other than that, everything looks great.
Btw, due to its speed, the Librarian’s Paper Cutter (blue BOE dagger), actually will outperform your epic in your main hand. Blizzard really messed up on this one. The only daggers that can really replace it as a true upgrade are off of 25 man KT and Saph.
- Sam
March 30, 2009 at 8:51 am
Although I am pleased with the improvement in DPS over my former combat spec, I am not achieving nearly the DPS noted here. I know I need to get better with the rotation, but maybe you can look at my gear and tell me what I should realistically be expecting and further, make some recommendations. Currently doing 1600 or so with attack dummy (lvl 80), and 1600 to 1700 in 5 man.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kael%27thas&n=Dunderchief
Thanks. (I still really like the spec regardless – nice job with that man)
-Dunderchief
March 30, 2009 at 8:51 am
would it be wise to duel wield the blues librarians? i had these for a long time but naturally not thinking of it much changed them for epics ? i did read they were the best blues when i had them. i have some swords also but im 3/5 in close quarters
thanks for your help btw:D
March 30, 2009 at 9:29 am
Dunderchief,
Your gear looks good, I’d like to see some more and more expertise, but you’ve got best in slot main hand. You should be pulling 1900+ on a combat dummy, but as with myself, it takes a minute to get to that point. I’ve got something that I’ll be posting later today or tommorow that will help I think. Also, In a 5 man situation depending on the fight and buffs, your DPS may not improve over your unbuffed combat dummy dps, and in some cases, may decrease.
Emily,
I’d use the Paper Cutter in the main Hand and Anarchy in the Off-hand. Check that on a combat dummy with 3 minutes of solid rotation against your current setup, and let me know if you see improvement.
- Sam
March 30, 2009 at 9:35 am
i put the cutter on and man my stats took a beating lol , i havnt tested it on a dummie yet but i shall asap. ive changed some gems and enchants and now have 315 hit but struggling to get expertise to 26 , up to 17 so far but im still looking at what i can change.
March 30, 2009 at 9:47 am
Regarding the expertise skill point, my GM (who’s helping a lot with my dpsing) talk about white and yellow cap… do you know where I could find more info on that subject ?
March 30, 2009 at 10:21 am
The Elitist Jerks rogue forum has great information on the subject.
The Pocket guide to Wotlk post has all of the information you’re looking for. In shorthand, here’s the breakdown.
Hit Caps for level 83 (boss) mobs (assuming 5/5 Precision):
99 – Abilities (yellow)
315 – Poisons
722 – Auto Attack (white)
Note that reaching the white hit cap is not advised, once you get to 315 Hit isn’t as strong of a stat as Agility or Expertise (if you’re under the cap).
As for Expertise, A boss has a 6.5% to dodge any of your attacks, yellow or white, regardless of Hit rating.
26 Expertise on your tooltip is what you’re aiming for, as that is where you eliminate the chance of being dodged.
6.5% may not seem like a lot, but if your Envenom is dodged and your Slice and Dice drops, it will hurt your overall DPS.
- Sam
March 30, 2009 at 10:32 am
so.. as soons as I hit my hi cap (26), what should be my next move ? +damage, +agility, +crit ?
March 30, 2009 at 11:17 am
2600 dps on a small boss with hardly any buffs :d shall keep you posted
March 30, 2009 at 11:37 am
2600 using the librairan paper cutter ?
March 30, 2009 at 11:56 am
Sure. It’s my main hand, and I’ve got no problem hitting those numbers. Also, if you’re at 315 Hit rating and you have 26 Expertise, your strongest stat to stack is agility.
- Sam
March 30, 2009 at 11:59 am
indeed , i was doing vh which is a sinch i no but 2600 and main hand is librarians paper cutter with only 17 expertise , im still having trouble doing damage on trashmobs but fan of knives helps alot , i wouldnt have taught it myself but it actally worked , anarchy dagger is my offhand
March 30, 2009 at 12:06 pm
in my case, I dont have anarchy (yet -_-)… I have webbed death and knife of incision… Best mix for me would be librarian MH and incision OH ? I do 2.3k using this rotation at the moment.
Should I start attacking with a stealth attack (at beginning of fight)? If yes, which one ?
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Elune&n=Laituce
March 30, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Webbed death is one of the two daggers that will outperform the Librarian as a main hand. The other dagger is Murder. In fact, Webbed death is the second best dagger in the game for this spec, and the other dagger drops from 25 man Ulduar, so right now you have the best weapon your could possibly have for a main hand. You could try a librarian in your off hand and see if that ups your DPS, but I haven’t crunched those numbers yet.
P.S – I like to open with Ambush.
-Sam
March 30, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Emily,
You’re doing it right. Fan of Knives in multi (3+) mob pulls is the best DPS option you have. Here’s how I play Violet Hold:
Elite Blue Dragonflight Squad (I think that’s what they’re called):
Tricks of the Trade (tank) -> Spam FoK
(This is really useful when one of these pulls go in different directions. Your tank will love you).
Any other portal:
Tricks of the Trade (tank) -> Ambush -> Slice and Dice ->
Mutilate to 4+ -> Envenom
I only use Rupture on Trash if the Mob will live long enough for it to fully tick.
- Sam
March 30, 2009 at 1:07 pm
yeah i agree its exactly what i was doing and i got 5k damage , it was ver impressive i didnt use tot tough so il stick that in next time.
ive been struggling with my dps for ages but its starting to look up , mind you i was combat rogue for a long time before i tryed this and i must say assasination whoops combats ass lol.
just need some expertise , perfect my rotation and a sexy dagger to replace librarians and im sorted
March 30, 2009 at 1:09 pm
ps , who says girls cant play wow;)
March 30, 2009 at 1:18 pm
In fact, my best teacher I got for my rogue was an awesome lady
:D
March 30, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Girls can rock wow. Just ask Mrs. Samuel.
March 30, 2009 at 1:21 pm
hehe we have a reputation i loveit
i like it when the guys get huffy that im the best geared int he guild haha
March 30, 2009 at 1:21 pm
on what server do you play ? (emily and Sam..)
I’m on Elune
March 30, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Mug’thol.
March 30, 2009 at 1:32 pm
since you are so nice with me, here’s a link to a page with all gear for rogues classified for best dps.
http://shadowpanther.net/armor-pve.htm
you get info on where to get the stuff, boss name, item lvl… well lots of info
I use this chart all the time to see if the drops are better for me or not.
Hope you like it
March 30, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Yup, that’s where I get my information. Be warned, just becuase something is higher on the list, doesn’t mean that replacing your current gear with it will always be good. It might be a better overall piece numerically, but if it comes at the expense of other better stats, it may not make sense to equip it without changing around some other pieces of gear to compensate for your losses.
I spent 25 Heroism, 25 Valor, and crafted a new cape last night. This allowed me to replace 3 blues with Epics that are higher on the list. With the changes I saw little difference on a combat dummy; however, buffed on a real target, that may be a different story.
- Sam
March 30, 2009 at 1:42 pm
veknilash
indeed ive seen that site and its great but spreadsheets etc are beyond me
im a what feels comfy typea player , you get to technical and you lose the joy of the game. i had a warrior shes still at 70 now but my rogue soooo beats her for enjoyment and skill
March 30, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Other question.. for my OH is it better to have … speed 1.40 / 120 dmg sec or 1.80 / 143.3 dmg sec ?
March 30, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Without testing it or knowing the daggers, my guess would be the 1.8. Run a 5-10 minute rotation on a combat dummy with both, and check the damage with Recount (don’t forget to reset it after the first test). That should give you a pretty good answer as to which is better.
- Sam
March 31, 2009 at 11:07 am
Hey there… its me again… Was wondering, what rotation do you use against 1 ennemy (not a boss). I don’t have enought time to do damage on mob with rupture cause they die to fast -_-…
March 31, 2009 at 11:08 am
i stick with evenom and when faced with a few i use fan of knives.
March 31, 2009 at 1:18 pm
i just specced this build after being sub since low levels, and made a pretty bad mistake by equiping avools sword of jin i previously found on a random mob, before actually gettin the chance to try this build,
i missed the part in mutilate that says requires dagger”s” thought it woulda been just in main hand like most abilitys, so rather then waste the sword is there another build to raid with that has equally high dps with a sword in offhand?, maybes need to go combat i dunno
March 31, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Humm… I have a rogue friend in my guild who’s dps is quite better than mine (arouns 2.6k – 2.7k)… go check on armory for Lunasea on Elune server. He use a fist in MH and one-hand sword on OH… hope this can help you
March 31, 2009 at 2:06 pm
You could go the route of speccing combat. There’s a link on the main page of the site. Or… you could keep this build, and grab a Librarian’s Paper Cutter from the auction house and get another dagger for your off hand. There are 3 seperate factions that can accomodate you:
**Easiest OH option**
Kalu’ak Revered- Traditional Flensing Knife 1.7 Speed Dagger
**Another MH option if the Paper Cutter is unavailable**
Kirin Tor Revered – Lightblad Rivener 1.4 speed Dagger
**Best OH option, but depending on rep, harder to get**
Sons of Hodir Revered – Broken Stalactite 1.8
- Sam
March 31, 2009 at 5:00 pm
doesnt patch 3.1 making fist/sword obsalete , might wanna check that out first
and im geting 3-4 k dps in 25man os atm i LOVE IT :XXXXX
April 1, 2009 at 10:45 am
Thanks for all the help folks. Things are coming along nicely. Primarily I need to concentrate on getting my expertise up (as Sam recommended) without sacrificing other stats. But my direction and goals are now clear. Thanks again and best of luck to you all. – Happy hunting.
-Dunderchief
April 14, 2009 at 12:17 pm
great guide…but why not open with garrote instead of ambush…its a good DoT, in my opinion, but im just wondering bcuz a guildie of mine told me to open with garrote,
sorry for my english,its my 2nd language
April 14, 2009 at 12:24 pm
I personally use Ambush as an Opener becuase It generates 2 combo points to the 1 that Garrote gives you. Also, using Ambush with Tricks of the Trade will produce instant threat for your tank. But, there’s nothing wrong with using Garrote as an opener, I just feel that it’s more beneficial to use Ambush.
- Sam
April 14, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Sam-
Great blog, it’s been really helpful to a rogue and WoW noob. With 3.1 and the modification to HfB, is there a new recommendation for rotation? Apparently a bleed (or poison) effect must be up on the target prior to invoking the ability. Does the ability drop if there are no bleeds on the target?
Also, the new HfB glyph is a must, along with SnD and Rupture, correct?
Thanks for all the help!
-Dave
April 14, 2009 at 3:45 pm
If the servers ever come back up, I’m going to do some testing and have a definite answer for you, but for now, the only thing rotation wise that I see changing is that you’ll have to make sure to rupture to get HfB going.
HfB, SnD, and Rupture sound like your best glyph options, but again, I’ve got to do the testing to see it myself.
- Sam
April 15, 2009 at 12:32 am
It seems ambush as an opener with tricks of the trade is even more viable now that the TotT timer doesnt start until you damage the target. Sweet.
April 15, 2009 at 2:25 am
Doesn’t the delayed start to TotT mean that your initial ambush will dump all that threat on you? Early in the fight that might be a problem, especially in pug heroics and such.
Personally I’m experimenting with a Garrote opener to immediately get HfB up and SnD underway. Cookie Cutter 51- or 52- point Assassination should have Blood Spatter and Overkill which makes Garrotte even more attractive (plus Opportunity of course).
In the case where I’m not stealthed, or sneaking to the rear of the target in stealth will cost me more than say 5 seconds of DPS, I’m experimenting with a “Triple Shiv” opener: Shiv > SnD > Shiv > Rupture > HfB > Shiv > Envenom. That gets you to about the 10 second mark with Rupture, HfB and SnD all up, SnD on full 5-dot duration (with CttC) and low threat – ready to start pooling energy for a CB/TotT double Multilate.
April 15, 2009 at 2:45 am
^ Never mind about the TotT comment – I was referring to old patch notes which described it slightly differently.
April 15, 2009 at 4:37 am
I like it. I was just sitting here thinking about my non-stealth openings. I like how that sounds.
April 15, 2009 at 7:46 am
There’s really nothing wrong with any of the suggestions that you guys are making. Last night, I used several sequences in testing for startup and this was the best I found:
Ambush -> Rupture -> HFB -> Mutilate -> SnD
After this was done, I went back to my standard rotation of 4/5 Env, 4/5 Rup. Could I swap out the first two moves in the opener with a Garrote? Probably, but at the end of the day we’re talking about a very minor difference in DPS either way.
- Sam
May 8, 2009 at 1:01 pm
God this helped me so much, I just hit 68 and started questing in northrend but was speced as a sub rogue, and questing in northrend did not handle well with the sub spec.
I switched to assassination and was having an awful and really frustrating time adjusting until i found this.
I can actually survive northrend now yay :]
May 8, 2009 at 1:14 pm
May 8, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Glad to hear it and, keep up the good work.
Happy stabbing,
- Sam
May 8, 2009 at 1:16 pm
is the librarians paper cutter still as good as epic or have they changed it ? i have popcorn stuck in my teeth:’( hehe
May 8, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Popcorn is sooooooo good. But it does have a tendancy to get stuck in your teeth, anyway, back to the question at hand, nope. It’s still a good offhand, but an 1.7 or 1.8 Speed epic will out perform it now due to the changes in Instant Poison procs.
- Sam
May 8, 2009 at 1:19 pm
oooh interesting so anarchy and knife of incision?
May 8, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Sounds like a plan
- Sam
May 11, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Great guide. So I recently picked my rogue back up (after demoting him to a bank alt for 3 months), and I am trying to get back into the rotation. I am doing pretty good dps on boss mobs (depending on the boss), but my instance dps drops like a rock because of the trash mobs. I noticed that you guys are using FoK on trash? Do you just run in, start your autoattack and then spam FoK? I have trouble keeping the rotation up on multiple guys, so I guess I am looking for help.
My biggest problem is when facing a mob of 3…and my target falls before I get through my whole rotation. I find myself scrambling to figure out where to start on the next mob. The most common problem is my target dies, I switch, but cannot Envenom because no CP, and only 2 seconds left on my SnD. Doh. Then I need to restart my rotation over again.
I really need to rewrite my macros for trash. Anyone have any good suggestions? Thx
May 11, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Just as a follow-up to myself…
I am thinking about going into trash with the following, what do you think.
Stealth’d
Rupture > HfB > SnD > Shiv > Mutilate > Envenom > Spam FoK
Shiv > Envenom to refresh SnD before it expires
Not Stealth’d (Thanks Cat for this rotation)
Shiv > SnD > Shiv > Rupture > HfB > Shiv > Envenom > Spam Fok
Shiv > Envenom to refresh SnD before it expires
Regardless of stealth or not, the rotation is carried out on the first target, and that target will probably fall pretty quick. Autoattack, shiv > envenom on the remaining targets as needed while spamming FoK? I am thinking about making macro to do the following, but not sure how it will work with the GCD.
/autoattack
/cast shiv
/cast envenom
I would like to mess around with shiv vs mutilate (might not have enough time/energy), as well as possibly shiv’ing twice instead of once in some of these scenarios. I just don’t know yet. I will say that the 50 energy and long regen time for FoK does kinda scare me a little.
I am at work, so going through all of this in my head. I might get home, get on, and realize it is the worst idea ever. Thoughts? Criticism?
May 11, 2009 at 4:17 pm
I don’t think you’re overthinking it, I think you’re experimenting with it to find something that will work for you.
In groups with low health, FoK until you’re down to two or so is a higher DPS option than Mutilate. Realistically, you’ll have to adapt your rotation when you’re killing mobs with less than 60k health, as they die too fast. This may mean opening with Garrote to keep HfB up and ignoring rupture entirely.
A likely fight on a lower health mob might be:
Garrote -> SnD, HfB, Mutilate, Mutilate, Envenom
If you can’t get all of that in, skip a Mutilate, and save your energy for the next mob.
Basically, Rotations are great to aim for, and when possible, they’re the way to go, but if the situation isn’t there to use it figure out how to adjust for your situation.
- Sam
P.S. – Fan uses less energy when used stealthed. Combine it with Tricks of the Trade and Cold blood to do massive damage and help your tank with threat. You can easily get 3-4 off before TotT wears off.
May 13, 2009 at 9:24 am
Awesome thanks for the help very impressed on my vast rise in DPS. I was combat swords forever till the daggers droped and being the only rogue in a 25 man naxx (lucky me) no one else was interested so they went to me after scrapping around with my combat sword spec i decided to look up assassination. I had a word with a few rogues who had been using it and looked it up on the web, where i found this : )
With the right amount of crit and expertise an assassination rogue is a deadly muva fooker
Thanks again for your help
May 14, 2009 at 3:08 pm
So I made some changes to my rotation and play style and my dps is definitely up. These changes are not anything special, and in many cases are common sense, but I was amazed at how much I was screwing up when I started to scrutinize my playing style. Here is what I changed.
1) Moving away from macros. Sounds stupid and silly, but I decided that until I have the perfect rotation, I am not going to macro it. I noticed to many inconsistencies with my macros. Now that I am manually going through my rotation, I am noticing different things, and altering my rotation as needed.
2) Focus more on targeting and autoattacks in trash mobs. Even if I am fumbling with my rotation, or I screw something up, at least I am still targeting and attacking someone.
3) Spam FoK on trash mobs of 3 or more. I was not doing this before, but this was the biggest jump in my dps. I have messed around with rotations, but for now I am stealthing in, autoattacking, and spamming FoK. Overkill + Arcane Torrent + Trinket + Cold Blooded + Spam FoK puts my dps through the roof. I am tossing around the idea of trying to garrote and get HfB up before I start spamming FoK, but I want to hit FoK as much as possible before overkill is up.
4) Get my buffs and DOTs up as fast as possible on large boss battles, and then worry about the big 4/5 cp envenoms and ruptures. On most bosses I have started using this rotation, and it has paid off. It plays out in one of two ways.
If Ruthlessness procs:
Garrote > HfB > 1CP SnD > 1CP Rupture > 1CP Envenom
This sounds like the perfect storm and far fetched, but I am finding that it happens more then I expected, as ruthlessness has a 60% proc rate. That at least gets HfB, SnD, and rupture all up right away. This rotation counts on ruthlessness proc’ing twice, which happens a lot. But if it does not, I sacrifice the 1CP rupture and do a mutilate > envenom instead to get SnD refreshed. Then I move on to a 5CP rupture. This has worked out very good so far.
On the flip side, if ruthlessness does not proc then I use this rotation:
Garrote > HfB > Mutilate > SnD > Mutilate > Rupture > Mutilate x2/3 > SnD > Mutilate x2/3 > Rupture, etc, etc.
This is closer to a traditional rotation, with the exception of the first mutilate before SnD. Regardless, it has been working out very well.
Thanks for the comments and this guide, it has really helped me not only with my dps, but my playing style in general!
May 15, 2009 at 8:52 am
Jeremy,
1.) The only Macro I use is Pickpocket / Opener. All of my rotation abilities are keybound, and I never have any trouble keeping a rotation up.
2.) I agree with you totally here. It often surprises me that many players don’t understand that white damage is a large component of your overall damage.
3.) In large AoE packs that can be cleared in 3-5 seconds, Rogue AOE will usually top the chart. Other than using fan as a faux Consecrate for warriors, I do enjoy it’s massive damage. It’s very useful in PvP if you’re combat too. Popping everything, and running into a pack of the opposite faction will probably get you killed, but you’ll take everyone in that pack down for over half their life in the amount of time, usually taking several of them with you.
4.) This:
Garrote > HfB > 1CP SnD > 1CP Rupture > 1CP Envenom
Very compact and streamlined. If you’re going to be on a target for more than a minute, this is definately the way to go. Following that with the standard rotation, you’re good to go.
I’m glad you were able to get use out of the guide, and good luck
- Sam
May 16, 2009 at 1:20 pm
A Guildie using this spec/rotation hit 9.3k on freya he then pulled aggro and died
May 16, 2009 at 11:13 pm
So just to make sure, what daggers would you suggest then? I see alot of back and forth on the topic and just wanted to be sure.
May 17, 2009 at 12:46 am
I just tried it out and only managed 1.5 k
I did good on the rotation (not perfect, but need a little practice), so what else could it be? Character is Whobiwhati on thunderlord if you wanna check my gear and stuff.
May 18, 2009 at 9:59 am
Kat, the back and forth is from the changes Blizzard has made to the class/spec in the months since I first posted this. While this guide has been updated, I left the comments alone. A hard hitting slow dagger is preffered in the main hand now. There are a lot of factors that go into which off hands are the best. I suggest you check shadowpanther.net to pick your best two weapons.
As for your second post, I’ll take a look when I get home, and see if I can’t come up with an answer for you.
- Sam
June 13, 2009 at 10:46 am
Would webbed death in both hands begood for assa or WB and murder or twilight mist be good?
June 14, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Out of the daggers you specified, your best combo would be:
MH Twilight Mist
OH Webbed Death
Although, this combo isn’t significantly better than two Webbed death.
June 16, 2009 at 5:43 pm
I did everything on your guide but I can barely top 3k dps. I am dual wielding Webbed Deathx2. My character is Roxaas on Suramar. I am one of the most geared in my guild so I thought I would be doing around 3.5k/4k dps on the heroic training dummy. I follow your rotation exactly and I have all the glyphs you stated in the guide. Just wondering if there was anything I could do to up it a little more.
June 16, 2009 at 7:27 pm
If you’re pulling over 3k on a training dummy, you’re doing just fine. That should be easily 4-5K buffed in a 25 man raid, depending on the encounter.
- Sam
June 17, 2009 at 6:57 am
i love this dude lol , after recieveing help here , my rogue doesnt fail to top dps in most cases and if not top then shes de3fo in the top 2/3 . you rock my socks:D
June 17, 2009 at 6:59 am
Ps , i just got duel spec but i was wondering , is there even any point as i gota change gems and buffs and all sorts sounds like a faff to me or is anyone having sucess wiv it ? also does ass still out damage combat?
July 3, 2009 at 11:56 pm
Rly tnx mate
… i had 2.5k dps and its 4.1k now
….rly tnx XD
July 8, 2009 at 11:40 am
my character is Sliyz on Kul Tiras realm, and i was wondering if you had any suggestions to gear that would make my dps better, i am currently trying to gear for Naxx. Thanks for the great post.
July 8, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Drew,
I would work on gearing/enchanting/gemming to hit the poison hit cap (218), and Expertise cap (26 skill). Reaching those, I’d work on Attack Power amd Crit.
I’d be running the following Heroics for epic gear:
Gundrak (Pants/Ring)
Utgarde Keep (Ranged)
Halls of Lightning (Bracers)
Halls of Stone (Dagger)
Utgarde Pinnacle (Hands)
In your non heroic time, start working on icecrown. The boots from Argent Crusade are good, and once you unlock the Ebon Blade faction, you should grind its rep in heroics. It has the enchant for your head, and a nice chestpiece as well.
-Sam
July 14, 2009 at 3:56 am
Thank you very much…i recently changed to assassination and was pulling about 2k dps…since i read your guide and changed my dps cycle up a bit i now do 3k+
July 14, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Sam, I’m about to hit lvl 50 and have been following your guide to the assasination spec. I was wondering if u had a suggested rotation for a lower lvl player like myself.
July 14, 2009 at 3:22 pm
At 50 you’ve got access to Mutilate, so I’d Ambush -> Mutilate -> Eviscerate (Or Kidney shot). Mutilate- Mutilate -> Eviscerate.
That should take down any normal mob. If you crit a lot, you may not even finish it off.
July 15, 2009 at 7:51 pm
ok so , i am hitting to dps first or second in almost every raid dungeon up to ulduar 10 (mind you only did 3 bosses in ul )
but still mega impressive and tbh i still have heroes gear and nax 10 level stuff with a hint of valorous
but could you take a look at my woman again to let me no if i need changes
pogmothoin veknilash
another question is i recently looted these items ” razorscale talon – webbed death – sinisters revenge and my previous anarchy dagger and knife of insicion, and im stuck as to which to use
Also is Stalk skin belt better then jonarchs crocolisk’s skin belt if it means i lose 7 expertise point , currently i have 17
gloves of fast reaction instead of heroes bonescythe ?
lots of questions i no
thanks for your help . I cant wait to see her fully ul’d up lol
July 21, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Wow this is the best guide ever. I had all Naxx 10 gear at 80 and was putting out only 2k dps and 2.8k bursts (for only 15 seconds). I knew something was wrong. I tried assasination with this tree and now I do 3k on adds and 3.5k on bosses! Much better thank you SO much!
Roguey-Stonemaul-Horde
July 29, 2009 at 1:39 pm
i am in big trouble, appart from having not the best gear
i am dpsing at 1k and im level 80… i start my rotation with mutilate
then activate Snd
then mutilate
then evenom or evis
sometimes rupture…
i have no idea what im doing wrong and i know a dps rogue should be capable of doing 2k minimum in pve
so what the hell am i doing wrong?
Rot
July 29, 2009 at 10:00 pm
Roy,
Make sure you’re keeping Rupture up and using Envenom to refresh Slice and Dice. Hunger for Blood should be active the who Take some time to practice your rotation on a combat dummy, and you should be golden.
Other than that, some gear related issues could be causing your dps to be low. Here’s a checklist:
Is your Hit at or above 216?
Do you have 26 Expertise?
July 30, 2009 at 3:56 am
Sam,
first of all thanks so much for the quick reply to my message. I have been asking ppl for quite a while how to max my DPs.
My character name is Blasophobiat.
Crit hit below 200 (dont know what to do to change it)
Expertise 8/8
Roy
July 30, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Roy,
I’ve taken a look at your gear and have a few suggestions to help.
1.) Swap your Main hand and Off hand. Librarians used to be one of the best main hands because of the way instant poison used to work, but when they changed it, an equivalent level 1.8 speed dagger (like your current off hand) became the weapon of choice.
2.) You can pick up some more hit / expertise through enchants. If you’ve got an enchanter friend to send your greens to, you can get this done pretty cheaply. If not, you may want to simply farm heroics for some better gear instead. Here’s some enchants you could use:
Wrists – Expertise (16 Expertise Rating)
Hands – Precision (20 hit rating)
3.) Take a day and level your Engineering and Mining. It will be a grind, but it will be worth it. You’ll get an epic helm out of leveling Engineering, and you should get some gems out of leveling mining. When you’re leveling Mining you should find a blacksmith to make a pair of Titanium Weapon Chains and an Eternal Belt Buckle. If you gem the new belt socket with a Rigid Autumn’s glow as well as getting the Precision enchant I mentioned, you should be close to 216 hit.
4.) Gear recommendations. Here’s a list of where your upgrades could come from (easiest to obtain first, ignoring BOE items):
Head: Engineering; Raiding
Neck: Raiding
Shoulders: Raiding
Back: Leatherworking; Raiding
Chest: Ebon Blade Exalted; 80 Heroism / Raiding
Bracers: Heroic Halls of Lightning; Raiding
Hands: Heroic Utgarde Pinnacle; Raiding
Waist: Raiding
Legs: Heroic Gundrak; Raiding
Boots: Argent Crusade Exalted; Raiding
Rings and Trinkets are a little trickier:
Potential rings include the Hemorrhaging Circle from Heroic Gundrak, Signet of Briganband from an Icecrown chain, a Jewelcrafting ring, or just raid for them.
As for the trinkets, the Mirror of truth costs 40 Heroism badges, but is a good investment. Other good trinkets include the Meteorite Whetstone from Heroic Utgarde Pinnacle, and the Sphere of Red Dragon’s Blood from Heroic Nexus
I know that’s a lot of info / work to go through, but if you’ll knock each of those suggestions off one at a time, you should notice your DPS improve dramatically by the time you start working on replacing your current gear. Let me know if you have any other questions.
- Sam
July 30, 2009 at 3:48 pm
wow amazing!
thanks
August 10, 2009 at 1:16 pm
First i must take my hat off and bow down to samueltempus. First for not being an ignorant soab and loling at people, you are a very genuine person and actually takes time out to help other people. Second for the brilliant spec build, most people say THIS is the best raiding spec, without explaining why, but you took the time to explain why you put points in each tier.
I only came accross this forum in error whilst trying to find the amount of expertese for assanation, and now my friend you are bookmarked]
Keep up the great work
August 14, 2009 at 2:29 am
hey i just looked you up on the armory and i noticed you gem ap i was just woundering if that is better then gemming agi
August 14, 2009 at 7:02 am
All things considered, there’s not a ton of difference up to a point. AP and Agility gems are ranked equally on Shadowpanther. I’ve started using AP myself, as my crit is already over 30% unbuffed, and goes at least 10% higher when fully raid buffed. AP boosting base damage makes all of your attacks hit harder, even the crits, while the crit from AP only increases how often you crit. I’m not exactly sure where the “cap” is, but I crit more than often enough.
I’ll see if I can figure that number out today.
- Sam
August 14, 2009 at 7:44 am
After doing some digging on Elitist Jerks, I found the Attack power Equivalency table that compares all other stats to 1 attack power. The one caveat is that the chart assumes Best in Slot Tier 7 gear. Some will have betters, others not so much, but regardless the point is:
Agility has basically the same value to you as Attack Power. Attack power is still better, but the difference is marginal. Stacking Attack power is better than stacking agility, but barely. If you go with whatever is cheaper on your server, you’ll suit yourself fine.
- Sam
August 16, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Can you take a look at my rogue, & offer any possible suggestions on what I can do to increase my dps outage. I am currently spec’d assassination..ty..
August 18, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Sam, thank you so much for these guides, they are fantastic – well-written and just the right amount of detail to really explain to the reader why they’re investing in the talent points and using the rotation the way you suggest.
I do have a question however, about weapon speed. There’s a big long discussion in the comments here about BiS daggers, but nowhere in any of the assassination guides I’ve read here do you explain what types of daggers (slow/fast) you want for this build.
So my question: What types of daggers are ideal for MH and OH, and why? Also, has this changed at all with the advent of 3.2?
Thanks a lot!
August 18, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Generally speaking, Slow MH, Fast OH. However, I always check Shadowpanther for the math just to be sure, as an ilvl 229 Slow OH might be better than your ilvl 200 Fast OH. As far as I noticed, nothing in the patch should have changed that.
- Sam
August 18, 2009 at 5:10 pm
I understand slow MH for big Mutilate hits, but quick OH is for…poison applications? Does the benefit of having a better chance at keeping Deadly poison stacked up outweigh bigger Mutilate numbers (based on higher weapon damage)?
August 18, 2009 at 6:09 pm
The quick application of poison outweighs the Mutilate damage in the end. Unlike Swords, or any other weapon that has 2.6ish weapon speeds available, daggers have a much smaller difference in base damage between slow and fast types. The speed difference is almost three times greater with a sword pair than it is with a dagger pair.
What I’m getting at is that Mutilates will hit harder with two slow daggers, but the difference isn’t as good on a long fight as getting IP up to 5 stacks as quickly as possible.
- Sam
August 19, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Hi i have a lvl 65 undead rogue and ive followed this talent build as much as possible but in instance i seem to be heavily out DPS’ed by anything is this normal and will it get better when i hit 80, also in the rotation if the taget doesnt have much health should i still use rupture as most of the effect will be wasted because the monster dies too quick
August 19, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Rupture should never be used if it won’t fully tick. I’d reccomend Envenom as your finisher on trash. The other issue is that you don’t get Fan of Knives until end game. It makes a big difference in an AoE world.
- Sam
August 19, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Thanks, when you do get fan of knives when should it be used in the rotation if you are dealling with a large mob
August 19, 2009 at 9:04 pm
I use fan in pulls of 3 or more. Does wonders for your trash dps.
- Sam
August 20, 2009 at 7:12 am
Hi again i was just wondering, i tried using this roatation on the mobs in zangamarsh abut i seem to do more dps just using mutilate and eviscerate is that normal?
August 20, 2009 at 8:21 am
I may have not been entirely clear explaining earlier and left some things out. I’m not sure what poisons you’re using, but for this to work, Instant Main, and Deadly Off is what you should use. And if you’re just using Mut and Eviscerate, you’re missing out on a ton of potential damage
A pull might look like this:
Is Hunger for Blood Active?
Yes – Ambush, No – Garotte -> Hunger for Blood
Is Slice and Dice Active?
Yes- Envenom, No -> Slice and Dice
Mutilate x2 – > Envenom
A mutilate (or two) should finish off the mob
Basically, if you’re following that pattern for each mob (bandaging and eating when needed), Slice and Dice / Hunger for Blood should never drop. If you can keep them up, your DPS will dramatically improve.
Also, I would recommend getting the addon, Power Auras, and setting it up to put a timer on your Slice and Dice and Hunger for Blood, on each side of your character, as it makes it much easier to keep track of.
-Sam
August 20, 2009 at 8:29 am
thanks dude i think its beacause i used my talent points to fill in all the tier 1s needed therefor i didnt have hunger for blood or cut to the chase 5/5. Thanks so much for your help and you’ve got an awesome website here
August 20, 2009 at 9:21 am
Thanks Alex,
The spec change should fix your DPS. Let me know if you need anything else.
- Sam
August 20, 2009 at 9:30 am
I just went to respec and my dps has increased by over 100 thats soo much thats alot when yuor my level and the top person has a dps of 600
August 20, 2009 at 9:31 am
oops meant to write “thanks soo much”
im rubbish at typing
August 20, 2009 at 10:14 am
Sounds great, Alex. You’re in the home stretch now, with less than 15 levels to go. Let me know when you hit 80. I’d be glad to roll a toon on your server and congratulate you “in person.”
- Sam
August 25, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Sam,
Could you go over or point me in the directions of your Add-ons?
So far I use Debuff Filter that gives me squares I can move around for SnD, Rupture. do you have one that bonks you on the head when your poison runs out?
August 28, 2009 at 10:25 am
I just started a rogue on Twisting Neither and this guide is extreamly detailed and I was just wonder for leveling do you thing assassination is a good build?
I love the idea of using poisons to the max avoid armor penetration issues.
August 28, 2009 at 10:59 am
Assassination can be good for leveling, but until you reach level 40 you can’t use your main combo point generation skill, and it doesn’t become self sustaining until 60. That being said, for 60+ you can keep all of your buffs up between mobs, and it makes for some seriously smooth leveling.
- Sam
August 28, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Great guide Samuel and I mean that on all three guides. I still consider myself a pretty big WoW noob as I only have 18 days clocked on my /played for my main which is a rogue.
I can understand why you like the rogue as i got into the wow game late he was the first character I created and has remained near and dear to my heart.
I started as a a deep sub spec pretty much right until end game when I dual spec’d and took combat. I respec’d my sub build into an assassination build when I was out dps’ing my combat with my Sub. Only reason I didn’t switch out combat is for assassination is cause I keep hearing how great it can be.
I was wondering if you could check out my stuff and tell me what I should work on, I know I need to get stuff enchanted since like none of it is, but I only hit 80 recently.
I tried out the assassination rotation on a heroic dummy with that gear setup and the dagger of betrayal in my MH and then since I didn’t have another dagger at the moment I just used a dulled shiv (the ones the cultists of the damned drop) in my off hand that i was going to vendor trash just to practice the rotation. I was pulling around 1.5k after a bit on the dummy.
So yea any pointers or enchant suggestions would be appreciated (keep in mind I am totally aware I am a noob
)
p.s sorry for the wallk of text
August 28, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Oh forgot to mention my main is named Retica on the Zuluhed server, since I can’t get to the link from work
August 28, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Josh,
Great name, one which we share IRL. I’ll take a look at your Rogue when I get home this afternoon.
- Sam
August 28, 2009 at 6:28 pm
I’m going to test out Mut spec since I don’t have my MH sword yet. I got the MH dagger from the Kaluak’s which is pretty cool. I feel so out of place playing Mut, since I have done combat for so long. lol Oh, If you want to check out what I have so far on my rogue his name is Goblinkilla on the Dethecus server. I just turned 80 last night, so my gear is all patched together right now. I hope to get more stuff from ToC and Greed from CoS soon. And I haven’t respeced my combat spec since I don’t have a good MH sword yet, but will do once I can get revered with Ebon Blade.
August 29, 2009 at 11:51 am
Josh,
Your gear looks like I’d expect anyone who just dinged 80 to look. Take a look at the post “gearing your rogue the 3.2 way, find a few friends and grind some heroics. You should be able to gear out in a week or so doing about 3 dailies a day. I also recently did a post on how to enchant your gear both the cheap way and the best way. If you follow those two guides, you should be in good shape.
Since you’re skinning, if you’ve got a leatherworker friend, you can gather the mats for an epic cloak, shoulders and bracers. If you really want to try assassination, do the Argent tournament stuff until you’re a champion with your faction, and use 25 champion seals to buy the MH dagger. Keep a look out for the Librarian’s Paper Cutter for on OH on the Auction house, and you should be good.
If you need anything else, don’t hesitate to ask,
- Sam
August 31, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Hi there,
Thanks for the excellent resource material. I have found it really useful as I am new to the class, having played a priest for the past 4 years.
I would be very interested in seeing what your key bindings are, if you would be prepared to discuss.
Thanks again.
August 31, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Yeah, on my rogue I crafted the cloak and shoulders but have one more thing to craft once I buy the recipe. I have been lazy. I have done the argent tournament dailies on 2 toons already, so it is sooooo boring on a third…. but the dagger is nice. grr! lol
September 15, 2009 at 1:59 pm
I have a question about my oh dagger, i was using the paper cutter until i got the arg tourney dagger, and instead put namlak’s slicer in oh and arg tourney mh of course. would the 1.3 of the cutter be better in my case over the 1.5 of the slicer in my oh? upgrayedd on hydraxis if you wanna see my current gear. so i guess the side question is, “is there a cutoff to how fast u want the oh? i.e. what’s too “slow” to be fast for oh”
September 16, 2009 at 10:37 am
Love the character name. Use the sticker in the OH, not the cutter. There’s not really a magic number for speed of your weaponry for Assassination. If you’re comparing two potential off hands that are of the same iLevel, the faster one will be better, but if you have a dagger that’s 15+ ilevel higher and a bit slower, there’s a chance it will be the better weapon for you. Shadowpanther’s dagger lists are the easiest way to tell which are better.
- Sam
September 17, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Thanks for the reply sam, i thought i was on the right track and your blog has helped me tons with my little rogue alt. of course my mage and druid being rich in gear and profs helps as well
my running joke is to lvl a dk next that way vanquisher tokens wont drop for any of my toons XD
September 24, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Sam, I’ve been following this guide on my rogue since somewhere in the lvl 30’s. I’ve been lvl 80 for a week now and working on gearing up. With my current gear which is a mixture of epics, pvp epics(which i’m working to get out of), some blue’s from heroics and some old trinkets and boots i havn’t been able to replace yet. As you can imagine my gear alone has me well under the hit cap. Should the focus of my gems and enchants be on reaching the hit cap until I get better gear? That’s what ive done and gotten hit up to 300. I did 2100 dps in os10 with this setup which I personally don’t feel is half bad. I have the rotations down pat i just want to make sure i’m getting the most out of what I have now. I’m Lacoka on the Cairne realm. I’ll appreciate any help you can give. Thanks
September 26, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Hey, I picked up the Shanker 2.00 (as MH) from Brewfest Boss, and the Black Night Dagger (as OH). Would that be a good set up, for Assasination?
October 6, 2009 at 9:02 am
Wow, Thank you! I was playing as Mut/Prep and dishing out maybe 1.7k Dps and I knew I needed to make it go up. After following what you did and everything my dps is at about 2.2k. You did everything very mature and that made it easy to follow. So thank you very much.
October 7, 2009 at 8:34 am
I was assasination muti/evis rogue till 80 and now respeced for raiding, great guide!
However, can you take a look at my char:
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Shattered+Halls&n=Surmavari
My dps on dummy is 1300-1400, is it normal atm?
October 7, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Honestly, as soon as I looted my 2 Black Knight’s Rondel, I wanted to try the raid version of Assa spec. I’ve always been combat (mace spec now) and I was able to pull out ~3.4k dps totally unbuffed. So I respeced, put berserking enchant on both daggers and tried it out on a dummy. After a couple of minutes, the maximum dps I could pull was only 3k flat. I also find it hard to manage the SnD with envenom so it never wears out, one stun and bam, no more SnD to refresh
and you always have to think about hunger for blood. So yeah, my conclusion: Combat mace > Assassination.
But excellent guide though, it helped me a lot.
October 9, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Hey, I recently dinged 80 and thanks to this website i now have 1.5k dps which is enough to start raiding naxx, but i just wondered if any1 knows a good raiding guild on The Mailstrom as i cant find 1.
Thanks
October 19, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Sam, i see this guide was updated for 3.1. So, I was wondering if this is still how you spec and play ur assasin rogue.
Thanks
October 19, 2009 at 6:54 pm
I need to update some tooltips, but yeah, it’s exactly the same.
- Sam
November 3, 2009 at 11:01 am
hey. great guide. it inspired me so much that after getting rondel, i switched to assass spec
but now i’m somewhat disappointed. can’t outperform combat
i did some 10min training sessions on 80-dummy and got these results:
mutilate (51/13/7) 2335 dps
mh rondel+berserking+instant, oh sticker+mongoose+deadly
ap 3467, hit 376, crit 36%
melee 12% miss, 8% dodge. 23% crit
mutilate 40% crit 5% dodge
envenom 30%crit (max crit 4480)
hfb and snd up all the time, rupture as much as i could, envenom on 4-5 (less when had to keep snd up) only if hfb & snd & rupture up
combat (15/51/5) 2681dps
mh horseman blade+berserking+instant, oh avool+mongoose+deadly
ap 3696, hit 374, crit 33%
melee hit 50% crit 31% miss 7%, parry 2% dodge 2%
ss crit 30%
instant poison: 11% crit
snd and rupture up as much as i could, adrenaline rush when available
i was hoping to see opposite results, even if i’m new to assassin, not perfect rotations, but it was just a dummytest…
tried assassinating 83 bossdummy also, that was horrible, like 1300 dps, so damn much miss/parry/dodge
not giving up yet
have to get some more practice, but it still bothers me, i’m doing something wrong, but what?
November 3, 2009 at 4:13 pm
never mind. i feel most dumb person ever to myself – figured that out when saw “your skill in daggers has increased to 317″ on next mob
now got 400 skill and 3100dps on bossdummy.
November 3, 2009 at 9:22 pm
You’ll laugh, but I did the same thing when 3.1 hit, and I couldn’t understand what was going on until it hit me the next day. I completely understand. Anyway, grats! I like to hear that people are doing great DPS!
- Sam
November 13, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Hey, i’m wondering if 3700dps is good on a dummy? I was doing arround 3200as combat but my daggers are better than my swords so.
AP 3745 , crit% 35.01, 342hit rating, 14expertise, 379haste.
November 14, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Well – I had been struggling for ages to gain better DPS in Heroics. I’d get the normal damage meter readings pop up in party chat and i’d always be at the bottom …. it’s a little soul destroying when the unkind few point this out and rather than be helpful pull you to pieces in from of the group! However, I tried the suggestions on this pages and it’s come up trumps (and a bit more!) My gear is being replaced slowly from PvP to PvE and my damage is getting much better …. this rotation suggested on this page rocks!! I’m getting 3000+ damage (from an initial lousy 1000 that i was getting!)
Thanks Sam for these suggestions – you have helped me more than you will know!!
Thanks again matey
November 16, 2009 at 6:06 pm
Chaos,
3700 is quite respectable on a combat dummy. You might be able to tweak a little more DPS out, but not much.
Stolzer,
Keep up the good work!
- Sam
November 18, 2009 at 7:22 am
Thanks for the help. I haven’t been able to find another assassination rogue to really help me and give me the insight I needed on the over all spec. I especially appreciate the break down of the rotation, that clears a lot up for me. I was wondering though, if this spec shares a similar gemming setup to combat. After, from my gear alone, I accumulate around a 350 ArP score, should I still stack ArP gems. Also, if I do this, would I ever change from envenom to eviscerate? Currently my ArP is only 273, and I stack +20 agi gems.
November 22, 2009 at 2:47 am
I switched your your build, and included a link to my armory for you to check out. Pretty sure I average 4k on the heroic dummy, do you have any suggestions?
November 24, 2009 at 9:22 am
Hi Sam, Great guide can’t wait to start using.
Currently I am low level and just about to get the mutilate talent.
I want to respec to assassination as soon as i achieve this. Obviously my daggers and gear aren’t brilliant at the moment, but your thoughts on this and some suggestions as to what daggers and gear to look out for and some tactics (do the ones in your OP still apply?) to start with would be appreciated.
Should i wait until i am 80 to respec?
Your (and the others who have taken the time to post here) thoughts are welcome.
Marvo
November 26, 2009 at 10:39 am
Hey Samuel it’s been awhile since I was able to get back into WoW since right when you gave me advice on gearing up I had to move again to my new place for school SO i didn’t have fast enough net to get back to WoW
I’ve yet to get myself a nice set of epic daggers for the build yet can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen that spectral kris drop for casters I’ve yet to see the rondel aha.
This is more of a question on Envenom however, with it my dps has increased significantly but is there a reason envenom might not go off?
Because I’ve noticed sometimes it will say “invalid target” or the envenom icon will just kind of do that “loading” up motion that it does when you hit the command button but aren’t finished with something else.
Anyway I’m not sure if it has to do with other rogues in the group because I know I’ve used envenom on certain enemies and had the nice 10k crit and such but other times it won’t work. Deadly poison will be fully on the mob yet it says invalid target.
An example would bet he 25 man Ony. First time I did it I was around the top for dps (still not top) but envenom worked on her wonderfully, I’ve ran it again multiple other times (still no bloodfang hood drop) but this time having other rogues in the group it’s then that my evenom won’t go off and i’m stuck using evis.
Oh and if you could give my gear a quick check and tell me how im progressing? I’ve been running a bunch lately with my warlock friend in order to gear up before IC.
Still Retica on Zuluhed. thanks